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	<title>Comments on: Dec. 15: God of mysteries</title>
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		<title>By: Peter Kufeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kufeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leave it to a Physicist to capture perhaps the best desription of mystery that I have exerienced.</description>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Isaac.  I, too, think we are culturally limited and appreciate the encouragement to be more open to mystery.  (btw, I also appreciate your reference to eternal salvation, and as a long time &quot;convinced Mennonite&quot; think that a whole view of salvation includes the things Pastor Wierwille mentioned, but also an (oft ignored by Anabaptists) understanding of the eternal impact of our faith. Well written and inspiring - thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Isaac.  I, too, think we are culturally limited and appreciate the encouragement to be more open to mystery.  (btw, I also appreciate your reference to eternal salvation, and as a long time &#8220;convinced Mennonite&#8221; think that a whole view of salvation includes the things Pastor Wierwille mentioned, but also an (oft ignored by Anabaptists) understanding of the eternal impact of our faith. Well written and inspiring &#8211; thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: John Wierwille</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Wierwille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Isaac, 

I really appreciated your reflection and its challenge to our American need for control and our cultural aversion to mystery.  

As a pastor who works really hard to read what is really in the books of the Bible, though, I ask you to consider your use of the term &quot;eternal salvation&quot; which I find to be also a mostly modern and liturgically developed theological error not so different from the one you challenge today.  It seems to me that the first thing we need to remember about Jesus is that he was a Jew and for Jews salvation does not and has not ever really meant the sort of pie-in-the-sky-when-you-die happily, ever after idea that post-Nicene doctrine has both encouraged and eventually insisted upon.  Anabaptists have long died challenging such ideas.  What if we were to challenge this one today?  What if embraced the sort of salvation that Jesus the Jew probably understood as the same sort of liberation that God has brought to Israel when he received his name after wrestling that angel?  What if we taught and sought a salvation of the oppressed and downtrodden like the freedom that the Hebrews knew in the Exodus?

Just a thought, and one you stirred up, so thank you.

And peace to you - always - my brother.

John Wierwille
Pastoral Elder
Berea Mennonite Church
Atlanta, GA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Isaac, </p>
<p>I really appreciated your reflection and its challenge to our American need for control and our cultural aversion to mystery.  </p>
<p>As a pastor who works really hard to read what is really in the books of the Bible, though, I ask you to consider your use of the term &#8220;eternal salvation&#8221; which I find to be also a mostly modern and liturgically developed theological error not so different from the one you challenge today.  It seems to me that the first thing we need to remember about Jesus is that he was a Jew and for Jews salvation does not and has not ever really meant the sort of pie-in-the-sky-when-you-die happily, ever after idea that post-Nicene doctrine has both encouraged and eventually insisted upon.  Anabaptists have long died challenging such ideas.  What if we were to challenge this one today?  What if embraced the sort of salvation that Jesus the Jew probably understood as the same sort of liberation that God has brought to Israel when he received his name after wrestling that angel?  What if we taught and sought a salvation of the oppressed and downtrodden like the freedom that the Hebrews knew in the Exodus?</p>
<p>Just a thought, and one you stirred up, so thank you.</p>
<p>And peace to you &#8211; always &#8211; my brother.</p>
<p>John Wierwille<br />
Pastoral Elder<br />
Berea Mennonite Church<br />
Atlanta, GA</p>
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		<title>By: Liz Lougheed</title>
		<link>http://www.goshen.edu/devotions/dec-15-god-of-mysteries/#comment-1891</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz Lougheed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always have to remind myself that my North American time/fact centric mindset doesn&#039;t work here in Burkina Faso. Thanks for the reminder to search out the mysterious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always have to remind myself that my North American time/fact centric mindset doesn&#8217;t work here in Burkina Faso. Thanks for the reminder to search out the mysterious.</p>
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